Making Space for Apostasy: A Conversation with the Hosts of Heathen

Pod Pham, check it out: For the first time in our show’s history we have guests! In this rambunctious and oft-tangented (but the tangents are GOOD, dangit!) episode we sit down with the co-hosts of one of our favorite podcasts, Heathen: Spiritual Conversations for the Godless. Matthew Blake and Karyn Thurston host an incredible podcast that creates sacred space for those who have history with either leaving or being exiled from their faith community. Full of laughs, inappropriate comments, and free-therapy, this episode is a keeper.

Matthew Blake